Interview With Tony Of Defects
Tony - Defects
September 11, 2026
There are plenty of ways to introduce Defects. You could talk about the riffs, the breakdowns, the huge choruses, the relentless energy or the growing momentum surrounding a band who have spent years carving out their own identity. You could talk about Artificial Icons, an album that takes everything Defects have built towards and pushes it further but perhaps the most revealing way to understand Defects is to forget the music for a moment and look at the people behind it.
Because beneath the noise, there is something remarkably human at the heart of this band.
For Tony, music has never simply been about writing something heavy and stepping onto a stage. It has been a way of confronting things that might otherwise have remained buried, loss, anger, isolation, responsibility, friendship and the realities of growing up. That honesty runs through Artificial Icons, an album Tony describes as carrying a genuine sense of suffering from the period in which it was written. Even when the subject matter changes, there is a weight that remains, tying the record together in ways that go far beyond the individual songs.
And yet, for all the darkness that exists within those songs, there is also an unmistakable sense of growth.
Tony speaks openly about learning to become a frontman, learning to communicate, learning to stop worrying about what other people think and perhaps most importantly, learning how to keep going when the easier option would have been to walk away. His definition of Defects reflects that perfectly, not a product but a lifestyle, not simply a collection of musicians but a friendship and a shared refusal to stop fighting for something they believe in.
That makes Artificial Icons an interesting record to discuss because behind every polished chorus and carefully constructed arrangement sits a story about how the band arrived there. Songs were rewritten, abandoned, resurrected and questioned. Some ideas were deemed too safe, others simply didn’t belong, while tracks such as State of Mind underwent transformations that could have completely changed their final identity.
There are stories about Matt Heafy appearing on Signs. There are stories about songs that nearly sounded completely different. There are even stories about arguments over Vocalzone.
But perhaps the most important part of this conversation comes right at the end.
When asked what he wishes someone would ask him that nobody ever has, Tony doesn’t choose another question about the album, success, songwriting or the future of Defects.
He simply says: “Are you okay?”
It is a deceptively simple question but after listening to everything that came before it, it feels like the perfect place to begin.
We sat down with Tony to talk about Artificial Icons, the realities behind the lyrics, the evolution of Defects, the lessons learned along the way and what it really means to keep going when you’ve already been through more than you ever expected.
Q) IF YOU COULD COMPLETELY FORGET EVERYTHING ABOUT MAKING ARTIFICIAL ICONS AND HEAR IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD SURPRISE YOU MOST ABOUT THE ALBUM?
A) I think what would surprise me most is how open and directly raw it is. There’s a real sense of suffering on that record because of the time period it was written in. A lot had happened, and you can feel the weight of that outside of what the tracks are actually about. There’s just this weight across the album.
And then there are the melodies. They just get stuck in my head. I’m sure if I was hearing it for the first time, I’d have one or two of them going around in my head for ages.
Q) THE TITLE ARTIFICIAL ICONS FEELS LIKE IT COULD HAVE QUITE A FEW MEANINGS. WHAT DOES AN “ARTIFICIAL ICON” MEAN TO YOU PERSONALLY?
A) Artificial Icons basically means that all leaders and all icons are made up. Follow who you choose deserves to be a leader. Follow who you choose deserves to be an icon.
Stop following people blindly based on fame, money and power, because you’ll find that most of those people don’t mean shit.
Q) WAS THERE A MOMENT DURING THE MAKING OF THIS ALBUM WHERE YOU GENUINELY THOUGHT, “FUCK, I THINK WE’VE MADE SOMETHING SPECIAL HERE”?
A) Yeah, for sure. Right from the beginning.
We were writing this album back in 2022, and we already had demos. I had Signs halfway done back in 2021. Where Did I Go Wrong? and Artificial Icons, the self-titled track, were very, very special moments. State of Mind as well when we had the chorus of that song, it really felt special.
It felt like a step up from Modern Error. It felt like a more refined take on what we’d done before, and we left no stone unturned.
Q) WHICH SONG ON ARTIFICIAL ICONS TOOK THE BIGGEST JOURNEY FROM ITS ORIGINAL IDEA TO THE FINISHED VERSION?
A) I’d have to say State of Mind, based on the fact that the whole song was rewritten three times from the ground up.
We had a heavy version with twin guitars doing this polyrhythmic 4/4 over 3/4 feel, which sounded a little bit like Periphery. It had a different melody, screaming in the verses, and it was originally going to have a feature from somebody else who wasn’t Matt Heafy.
It also had three completely different choruses. Then, towards the end of the writing process, when we made the softer version, we decided it was best to go back to the original chorus.
I think we got so caught up in what a good song needed to be that we started second-guessing ourselves.
Q) IS THERE A SONG ON THE ALBUM THAT YOU THINK PEOPLE MIGHT COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTAND WHEN THEY FIRST HEAR IT?
A) Maybe people might misunderstand Afterglow because of the reasoning behind the topic of suicide.
When I was younger, I used to say that people who did those kinds of acts were cowardly. I still don’t think it’s right now, but growing up and facing the realities I’ve had to face, I understand it in a way that I didn’t before. I understand how people can get there, and I can understand why somebody might not want to keep reliving a nightmare if that’s what their life feels like in that moment.
Afterglow is almost like a direct conversation from that person. It’s about acceptance and understanding that sometimes you may not be able to help.
Like I said, it’s not that I agree with it, but as you get older and go through your own realities and challenges, it becomes relatable and understandable.
Q) IF YOU HAD TO REMOVE EVERY SONG FROM THE ALBUM EXCEPT ONE AND USE THAT TRACK TO EXPLAIN WHAT DEFECTS ARE ABOUT, WHICH ONE SURVIVES?
A) That’s a very hard question, but I’d have to say Where Did I Go Wrong? because I think the problem is that I care too much.
Defects is about embracing your imperfections and being there for each other. Defects isn’t a product. It’s a lifestyle. It’s a friendship.
And that song was about losing a friend that I really cared about.
7. WHAT’S THE MOST BRUTALLY HONEST THING YOU’VE EVER WRITTEN INTO A DEFECTS SONG?
A) I think Gone to Waste and Afterglow. They’re both at the end of the albums, and they both touch on being in a place of no return.
Echo Chamber as well, because that talks about growing up in care and the harsh realities I had to face.
I’ve always been honest on the lyric page, so yeah.
Q) HAS WRITING MUSIC EVER MADE YOU CONFRONT SOMETHING ABOUT YOURSELF THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO AVOID?
A) I think writing music made me confront the fact that, when I was younger, I tried to avoid socialising and being confident.
When I started doing music and became a vocalist and guitar player, I had to face that head-on. I had to learn stage presence, learn how to talk to people and also learn how not to care what people thought of me.
Those were some of the biggest challenges for me growing up.
Q) WHAT’S SOMETHING ABOUT DEFECTS YOU THINK PEOPLE WHO ONLY KNOW THE MUSIC DON’T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE BAND?
A) I think what people who only know the music might not understand is how much of it comes from real-life situations. Defects is quite a mature, aware band in terms of the world around us and what we’re writing about.
We’re not just a band making music. Defects is a lifestyle, and we’re fighting to exist and make something of ourselves just like everybody else.
Q) DO YOU THINK THERE’S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TONY WRITING A SONG AND DEFECTS WRITING A SONG? IF SO, WHERE DOES THAT DIFFERENCE HAPPEN?
A) Yeah, I think there is a difference between Tony writing a song and Defects writing a song.
Especially before, instrumentally, the band might naturally drift towards whatever sounded good and heavy, and then I’d apply the raw vocal and lyrical side depending on whatever situation I was going through at the time. That could completely change the dynamic of the song.
Where Did I Go Wrong? is a good example. Without the lyricism and the heaviness I applied vocally, I think you could listen to the instrumental and hear it as a much more mysterious-sounding song. What I bring lyrically can completely change the emotional direction of what the band has written.
Q) YOU’VE OBVIOUSLY SPENT A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME AROUND THESE SONGS. IS THERE ONE MOMENT ON ARTIFICIAL ICONS THAT YOU STILL GET EXCITED ABOUT EVERY TIME YOU HEAR IT?
A) Definitely Signs with Matt Heafy.
That was insane for us. We never expected one of our idols to end up on one of our tracks, let alone support us in the way that Matt has. Even now, hearing that intro still gets me pumped because I remember how massive that moment felt for us.
Q) WAS THERE ANYTHING YOU DELIBERATELY LEFT OFF THIS ALBUM BECAUSE IT FELT TOO SAFE, TOO PREDICTABLE, OR SIMPLY NOT LIKE WHERE DEFECTS SHOULD BE GOING?
A) Yeah, there were quite a few tracks that got left behind. We wrote a whole bundle of songs for this album.
There was one track that had a much thrashier sound, but it just didn’t sit right on the album. There was pushback from both sides about it, but in my opinion we were trying too hard to make it work when it simply wasn’t working.
There were other tracks that leaned a little too far into nu metal, or just didn’t have the right balance for what we wanted the record to be. At the same time, other songs were getting finished much faster and everyone was responding to them more naturally, so those became the priority and the others went on the back burner.
Funny enough, something similar happened with Signs. It was originally being pushed for Modern Error back in 2021, and I’m glad it didn’t happen then, because otherwise Matt Heafy probably wouldn’t have ended up on the track.
Q) WHAT’S THE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION YOU’VE HAD ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE IN A SUCCESSFUL BAND?
A) I think the biggest misconception is that success is all about the people you know.
You might know certain people in the industry, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they have your band’s best interests at heart. If you genuinely want to make it, you need to become the biggest and best version of yourself and then apply that to your band. Leave no stone unturned and eventually people will listen.
People support what they love. Make something people genuinely love. Make something they can connect and relate to, and the support will come.
But don’t become the band that survives purely on favours, because people in the industry can see through that very quickly.
Q) WHAT’S THE WORST PIECE OF ADVICE ANYONE HAS EVER GIVEN YOU ABOUT MAKING MUSIC?
A) Luckily, I’ve never really had someone give me terrible advice specifically about how to make music. But one thing that stuck with me from a conversation I had was the phrase, “Music is subjective.”
Obviously that’s true, but I also think it can be used as quite a vague explanation.
My theory is that if you put enough commitment into songwriting, research, understanding what works, and properly listening to what you’re creating, you can actually narrow down that window of subjectivity.
You’re never going to make something everybody loves, but I do think you can become much better at recognising when something genuinely sounds good and works for your band.
Q) IF DEFECTS SUDDENLY HAD TO MAKE AN ALBUM IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GENRE WITH NO RESTRICTIONS WHATSOEVER, WHAT WOULD YOU SECRETLY WANT TO MAKE?
A) We’ve always been quite a genre-bending band anyway, but if I had complete freedom, I’d probably want to make something a bit more rock-oriented with less screaming.
Weirdly enough, as I’ve got older, I’ve become less angry. I think part of that is because music was always my therapy, and over time I’ve found myself enjoying singing more and more.
So I’d probably lean into rock, but at the same time I secretly love djent and progressive music as well. I’d definitely want some of that influence in there too.
Q) WHAT’S THE MOST RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT DEFECTS HAS EVER HAD IN THE STUDIO OR ON THE ROAD?
A) There have definitely been a few ridiculous arguments, but one that immediately comes to mind was over a packet of Vocalzone.
I’d already cleared it with the person involved that I could take some Vocalzones out of their box. So I did, and somehow I was then faced with absolute wrath for doing exactly what I’d already been told I could do.
Everybody heard the argument, and people eventually had to mediate and stop it from becoming something even bigger.
So the rule of thumb is: apparently, don’t take someone’s Vocalzone even after they’ve already told you that you can.
Q) IF YOU HAD TO SWAP JOBS WITH ANOTHER MEMBER OF DEFECTS FOR ONE SHOW, WHO WOULD YOU CHOOSE, AND HOW BADLY WOULD IT GO?
A) I’d probably swap with Rowan because I love drums.
I’ve already played guitar in bands, but I’ve never properly been part of a fully operating band like Defects as the drummer, so I think that would be the most interesting challenge.
As for how badly it would go, I actually think I’d do a fairly decent job because whenever I’m given something I have to do, I tend to over-practise it. I’d make sure I was ready.
I definitely wouldn’t be as good as Rowan, though. He’s an amazing drummer.
Q) WHAT SONG FROM ANOTHER ARTIST DO YOU WISH YOU’D GENUINELY WRITTEN YOURSELF?
A) Easy. Iris by Goo Goo Dolls.
I genuinely think it has one of the best choruses ever written. There’s something about the way that song builds and the emotion in it that gets me every single time.
It can make me feel completely overwhelmed, and I’m sure I’m not the only person who feels that way about it. It’s one of those songs that can genuinely make you stop and think about your life.
Q) WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE PERSON WHO STARTED DEFECTS COMPARED TO WHERE YOU ARE NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD SURPRISE YOUR YOUNGER SELF THE MOST?
A) I think the two biggest things would be my ability to lead and my ability to not give up.
My younger self would probably look at me now and think, “How the hell did you become that person?”
I never thought in a million years that I’d have that kind of strength in me, especially when our ex-members walked away. If the younger version of me had been faced with that situation, I honestly think Defects would have been over.
The fact that I was able to keep going, take responsibility and lead the band through it is probably what would surprise my younger self the most.
Q) FORGET THE ALBUM. FORGET THE BAND. FORGET THE USUAL INTERVIEW QUESTIONS. WHAT’S SOMETHING ABOUT TONY OR DEFECTS THAT NO ONE HAS EVER ASKED YOU THAT YOU WISH THEY WOULD?
A) I think, in a weird way, after all the challenges I’ve faced, the thing I wish people would ask is actually really simple: “Are you okay?”
I think people look at me as this really strong-minded person who can get through anything, so that question doesn’t really come up very often.
I try to be this immovable object that can’t be broken, especially for the people around me, but I’m human just like everyone else. I have my own challenges, I feel things deeply, and sometimes I struggle too.
I think people can forget that because of what I try to do for others or what I try to bring to the table. So if there’s one thing I wish people would remember, it’s simply that behind everything, I’m still a human being.